Holy Plot Holes, Batman! 9 Logical Gripes With The Dark Knight Rises
So, The Dark Knight Rises happened. But as much as Christopher Nolan's Batman finale tied the themes of the entire trilogy together with emotion and weight, capping what began in Batman Begins and continued in The Dark Knight with a full-circle completion of Bruce Wayne's journey as a hero and symbol of hope in Gotham City and the world, well, there were just a dozen too many plot holes and contrivances along the way to ignore. Or were there? Let's dive right into spoiler territory and navigate the WTF-iest of TDKR's more perplexing leaps of logic, shall we?
SPOILERS FOLLOW, OBVIOUSLY.
Bane's Overly Complicated 5-Month Plan
Let's start with the dastardly terrorist plot that sets TDKR in motion. Bane teams with slimy exec guy Daggett, who hires Selina Kyle to steal Bruce Wayne's fingerprints to make some fraudulent deals (via very public hostage-taking assault on the stock exchange) in order to force Wayne Enterprises into Miranda Tate/Talia al Ghul's hands, so they can bankrupt the billionaire superhero whose identity they already know and then manipulate him into giving them the technology that can be fashioned into a nuclear bomb. *Gasps for breath* Then Bane destroys Gotham with a few neat set pieces (the football stadium explosion and the simultaneous bridge attack are superb, I'll admit) thereby cutting Gotham City off from the rest of the world, unleashing the prison population into the streets, and imposing chaos on the citizenry... but only for about 5 months, until his bomb will nuke the city anyway — conveniently enough, the perfect amount of time to leech hope from the people of Gotham AND allow Bruce to recover from a broken back, climb out of the pit, trek across the globe with no ID and no money and no smart phone, sneak back into Gotham City, and save the day!
Bruce Wayne and Miranda Tate's Out of Nowhere Hookup
If The Notebook taught us anything, it's that two attractive people caught in the rain will get to boinking sooner or later. That's just what happens. So of course Bruce, who's been grieving the loss of his beloved Rachel for 8 years, will fall into sexytime with the pretty board member who he's never so much as locked eyes with until like two days ago, let alone had any meaningful chemistry with. IT'S SEX RAIN. GET OVER IT. There must be missing footage on the cutting room floor that sets up Bruce and Miranda's chemistry better, and maybe even shows us a bit of the action, so to speak. There must. Why would Gotham's preeminent costumed detective superhero let down his guard enough to leave a strange lady sleeping in their fireside bed, alone in his house of secrets, where the push of a button on a desk opens the door to the Bat-cave? Especially since she herself has mysterious scars and secrets of her own?
Probable answer: The back-on-the-saddle hubris that led Batman to ruin the cops' pursuit of Bane in his first return to crimefighting also makes him underestimate Talia. Bedding her is a step forward in his return to life and becoming a whole man once again after nursing his broken heart (and likely being a celibate creepy old mansion hermit). And maybe he spent a few hours offscreen in his Bat-cave Googling Miranda and doing an extensive background check on her before going there, only the League of Shadows has really, really good hackers and fake identity engineers on their payroll, in addition to prison doctors and Mongolian-chic wardrobe stylists.
Terrible Hand-to-Hand Fight Action That Makes No Damn Sense
Bane's a hulking, physically superior adversary who can kill people with his finger and batters Batman (admittedly, an over-the-hill, hasn't hit the gym in 8 years Batman) around like a rag doll — which explains why their first fight in the sewers is so awkwardly one-sided. But once Batman recovers from his broken back, does a few prison push-ups, and then suits up after focusing his anger into his workout regimen for months... their fist fights look pretty much the same. There's a shot on the City Hall steps where Batman leaps ahead of Bane, then turns to face him like a kid on a playground that made me groan. In no way does Batman seem to have learned from his past failures against Bane; he doesn't employ strategy or gadgetry to defeat his stronger nemesis. When Bane grabs a shotgun, of all things, to finish the Caped Crusader, it's Catwoman who offs Bane with a blast from the Batpod. And then we forget Bane was even in this movie for the rest of the film. Sigh.
Side note: It's worth acknowledging that the entirety of TDKR's final act is constructed so that the people around Batman must step up individually to help save Gotham. The fact that Batman can't do it all by himself, and can't even defeat Bane alone, reinforces the theme. Maybe he's getting too old for this shit after all. Still, it's not very satisfying when the individual parts don't make total sense on their own, is it?
Batman's Superhuman Time Management
Before zooming off in the Bat with nuclear bomb in tow, and shortly after returning to the city after five months in the middle of nowhere prison with about a day to save the world, Batman somehow manages to put all of his legal affairs in order, leaves the pearl necklace for Selina (heh) and detailed instructions to Blake in a duffel bag at his lawyer's office, sets a gasoline fire on the bridge in the shape of the Bat, saves Gordon in the nick of time, saves Blake in the nick of time, and fixes the Bat-symbol. I don't know how he does it! Literally.
Best explanation: He's Batman. Enough said?
Bruce/Batman's Coincidental Death
Are you telling me that nobody notices that Batman "dies" in a blaze of glory the same day that Gotham's most famous billionaire playboy also dies, leaving his estate to a bunch of orphans and willing his duffel bag of spelunking gear to some junior cop? Which brings me to...
Bruce and Selina's European Vacation
I don't believe that A) Emo Alfred would sit there on his fancy-sad vacay, see Bruce at the next table, alive and well, and not go give him a huge weepy hug, or B) a presumed dead billionaire playboy like Bruce Wayne can just go brunching in the open in France or whatever Florence and not be recognized. I kinda dig the idea that with nothing left in the Wayne coffers Bruce and Selina have retired to the French Riviera Italy to live off of her burgling money.
Possible answer: This is just Alfred's fantasy version of what he's always wished to see, and Batman/Bruce Wayne is really dead, and Chris Nolan has Incepted us all over again.
Selina's Special Friend, Wink Wink
Presuming Selina Kyle has a more than friendly relationship with Juno Temple's minx-in-training is a stretch, though they certainly seem to be BFFs/roommates/collaborators, ladies from the wrong side of the tracks trying to hustle their way up the food chain. That said: What's up with that one hug? You know what I'm talking about. Temple pretty much disappears once the movie gets going, but maybe she has additional scenes that flesh out their relationship that didn't make the edit. Discuss.
Possible answer that I hope isn't the case: Selina is bisexual and uses her sensuality as a tool against male marks... until she falls for Bruce/Batman and runs away with him to live happily ever after, leaving her girlfriend behind in Gotham. Ten bucks says this comes into play in the eventual TDKR XXX porn parody.
Good luck, Robin!
The good news: You've got a cave full of fancy toys and extra Bat-suits. The bad news: There's no money left to finance the operation. At least you know where the Bat is parked, on top of some building under some camo tarp. No one else will find it there, obviously.
Probable answer: Blake will take up the Batman cowl and figure out his own way of doing things, thus launching an entirely new Bat-series which I'll totally watch because Joseph Gordon-Levitt was the best thing about TDKR.
Room For The Justice League?
So WB wants to carve out a superhero super-team up, a la The Avengers, around DC's Justice League. Fair enough. But if folks like Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Superman exist in the same universe, where the hell are they during Batman's five-month absence from Gotham City? If the Justice League is possible in this film world — and maybe it's not, since Nolan's said to be done with his Batman storytelling, and despite his involvement in Man of Steel perhaps the two franchises aren't designed to co-exist just yet — then you have to think some other superhero out there would have swooped by to prevent the total destruction of one of America's biggest metropolitan populations, especially given that even the U.S. government has been rendered useless, leaving the entire city in the hands of a madman.
Does it really matter? Either any potential Justice League spin-off will not connect to the TDKR world, or it'll conveniently take place after the events of TDKR. This will likely be explained away or disregarded if/when the Justice League movie moves forward.
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Phew. All that said, TDKR was visually breathtaking and thematically resonant. Plus, it was Batman! At least there were no codpieces or Schumacherisms to complain about. So there will inevitably be two kinds of people: Those who can't help but be irked by the plot holes riddled throughout TDKR, and those who don't care and love it anyway. Where do you stand? Was this the movie Bat-fans deserved, or the one they needed?
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You just forgot one plot hole (or more a scientific fallacy). A fusion reactor simply doesn't make a nuclear bomb, period. Look it up 😉
really?
Except this is 8 years in the future (a new age for science!) and this fusion reactor actually works, unlike ours, which eat up more resources than they provide.
Unless they tried to trigger it with a fission bomb (which I didn't see in the movie)... or anti-matter. But I thought about that, too.
Nuclear decay also isn't so precise as to make a bomb timer five months out. You might be able to say that at the rate of decay would, at the soonest become too unstable in approximately 5 months, or that it would be unstable at five months at the most, but either way, that thing could have gone off in 3 months or 8 months. Waiting for nuclear decay to become unstable enough to set off a bomb is not something you could do with to-the-minute accuracy five months out.
The Best way to view the Nolan Trilogy is to view it like an Elseworlds story. For those who dont know the source material, i'll explain. Elseworlds is a random series of Comics that Usually has the Main DC Universe Characters such as Batman, Superman etc. but does not actually happen in the DCU. A good example is RED SON. its a what if story that tells the story of superman landing in U.S.S.R. instead of U.S.A. A good read, but not relevant to the actual character. Not even part of the Mythos or future of the character. A different universe if you will.
This is what the recent Batman trilogy is. Nolan even says that this is it's own universe. One that has no superheroes. So therefore, when thinking about the JLA/Justice League film, one must think about the Regular DC Universe where Batman and Superman are friends, and the jokers face is not painted on but actually is bleached white. Though we may not need a retelling of the character, this need to be a different take on bruce wayne and we also need to forget about Blake.
Nolan's Version was his take, but for the rest of us who like the characters from the comics, lets hope it's faithful to the comics and not someone else's take.
P.S. i'm still really peeved about "his" Two-Face and how uncharacter he was. where was the gangster!?!?!
meh
Oh, and my wife pointed out the amazing strength of the bat suit. You know, this thing that stops bullets and comes with the disclaimer "may not prevent Marion Cottilard to stick a knife through it like if it was a piece of butter".
Its started that the separation of plates in his armor makes him more susceptible to knife stabs in the dark knight
Fox comments in "Ther Dark Knight" that the batsuit will block anything but a straight edge.
LOL your wife's stupid.
Wait things that aren't logical in a movie based on a comic book character !?!?! Are you crazy that would never happen. Whatever happened to sitting back and enjoying the ride. As a certified firearms instructor I could pick nits with almost EVERY action movie ever made. Lighten up and just enjoy.
By the way can you be sure anyone noticed that Bruce Wayne died on the same day? He had been gone for months and only a very select few knew he had returned. As far as most of the city would have known he vanished during the Chaos of the first few days and never returned and was presumed dead. All those at his funeral knew he was Batman and I'm sure Gordon could have pull strings and had Wayne's death cert have any date during the chaos other than the same day as Batman's-- sheesh If your gonna pick nits give these things a think.
Anyway put me firmly in the don't care slot, I loved the movie flaws and all and think it was the perfect end to the trilogy.
No it was not just a few people who knew that Bruce Wayne was back. There was a throng of photogs taking his picture outside of that fancy dress ball before he mechanically shut down their cameras. So if any of those preliminary pictures went to press, which they likely did, then a great many people knew that Bruce Wayne was back.
He was in the prison for months!!! Thats what MRNIGHTTIME meant
Got a couple more I noticed:
The bomb was meant to have a 6 mile radius but just before he flew with it into the bay he had 1 minute left. I think that puts the speed of the bat at at least 360 mph?
Also his leg brace that can kick walls down, never mentioned again, including when kicking people and when he presumably loses it in prison he recovers from that injury too?
Still loved the film but gah! stupid plot holes!
I don't think he lost the brace in prison. Bane wanted him to suffer and attempt to climb out of the pit, presuming he would fail like everyone else (with the exception of Talia that made it out as a child). So, I think Bruce still had the brace in prison.
It's not entirely unrealistic that it could fly that fast, remember this is 8 years in the future (new science age!).
A little girl can climb out of the prison but batman couldn't?
She had the fear of death in her
WHY DID NO ONE CLIMB THE ROPE? Even if it doesn't go all the way out, we know it goes at least to the ledge and it's got to be easier than finger-tipping your way up a rock wall. They tie a rope to you and it goes 80% of the way up and no one tries to just climb that...
Bane's Overly Complicated 5-Month Plan: Yes, there was probably a more efficient way to blow up Gotham. Hell, with their skills and resources they probably could have just found some old Russian nuke and blown the city up before Batman or anyone else knew anything was wrong. But remember, they are crazy, so crazy that Bane was actually kicked out of the League of Shadows, they grew up in what is described as "hell on earth" Talia saw her mother murdered (and more, considering they are in an all male prison) and their plan obviously involved dying with Gotham. The insane motivation of Bane and Talia is revealed when Bane imprisons Bruce, he wants to give Gotham false hope before killing the city. This is meant to be a spectacle, a message, not just destroying a city.
Bruce Wayne and Miranda Tate's Out of Nowhere Hookup: The Bruce/Talia connection isn't that sudden, Alfred and Fox, the two people Bruce trusts most in the world, both point out what a good match they would be, Also remember that Bruce has just donned the cowl again for the first time in 8 years of rotting in his mansion, he's probably flush with regained confidence and adrenaline, and Talia is a beautiful, confident and idealistic woman, history is filled with millions of misguided hook-ups with less of a basis than that.
Terrible Hand-to-Hand Fight Action That Makes No Damn Sense: "he doesn't employ strategy or gadgetry to defeat his stronger nemesis." Correct about the gadgets. Because that's what he does in the first fight and it fails. Alfred points out after the big police chase how Batman is relying on fancy gadgets and tricks, while Bane fights with conviction. And the second fight is all about strategy, Batman gains the upper-hand not by being suddenly physically stronger, but by beating the tar out of Bane's mask (which, in the film, is described as constantly pumping him full of pain-killers just to take the edge off of his injuries.) I really don't get why people think that Talia's reveal turns Bane into some kind of a puppet. Nothing they say implies that Bane is just a henchman, in fact he clearly ignores Talia's request that he leave Batman alive to see his city die. And the fact remains that Bane and Talia needed to die to tie up the loose ends, rather than throw two villains with the same skills and training of Batman into prison and pretending they couldn't escape, and Bruce obviously wasn't going to do it.
Batman's Superhuman Time Management: Definitely overestimating how long it would take Bruce to do all that. If you remember, Batman didn't die at the end, which means he had plenty of time to get most of that done after the main plot was concluded. In fact, the point of the bat signal, pearls and Batcave bequeathing was to reveal that he didn't die (thus why Lucius smiles when he hears that the autopilot had been finished.)
Bruce/Batman's Coincidental Death: I'm sure a lot of people died during the chaos in Gotham, they had a whole kangaroo court set up to sentence Gotham's rich and powerful to death afterall. I doubt Bruce Wayne's death would have been particularly noticeable after 8 years in isolation, and let's just admit that it's crazy that everyone doesn't already know who batman is. I mean Batman appears right after Bruce returns to the city too.
Bruce and Selina's European Vacation: Alfred specifically says that in his dream he and Bruce would make eye contact but not say anything or acknowledge eachother, because Alfred's dream is that Bruce would have moved on and made a fresh start for himself. And how many foreign billionaires would you recognize on sight at some random cafe? Probably not many, especially one who has been established as a strange recluse. Most people in the world probably have been too busy with their own lives too follow the life of one of the many super-rich in America.
Selina's Special Friend, Wink Wink: Out of all these gripes this is the weakest, does it even need explaining? OMG two girls are hugging, they must be lezzing out, But seriously, Juno Temple could be dead, or Selina (who has been dealing with some dangerous psychopaths) could have severed ties to protect her only friend.
Good luck, Robin!: It's almost like they don't cover this in the movie, we can make up reasons all day why this would and wouldn't work out, off the top of my head Wayne enterprises looks like it still has a lot of resources, and Fox mentions that given time their lawyers could recover the money that was lost in Bane's obviously illegal take-over of the Gotham stock exchange.
Room For The Justice League?: Nolan's universe is intentionally free of the supernatural and other heroes. Even if it wasn't, the "Why can't superman just solve everyone's problems?" question has been asked a million times and there isn't a good answer besides it would be boring.
Yes, this is a satisfying rebuttal to your "plot holes" except for the Juno temple an Robin ones.
For the Juno plot hole, I remember Juno's last scene in the movie where she goes "this is everything that we wanted" in all of the chaos and it's obvious that Selina did not want that life anymore. Selina's morals did not align with Juno's anymore so it is not hard for me to believe that she cut ties with her.
For the Robin plot hole. Gotham survives for 8 years without Batman in the beginning of TDKR and it only took Bruce 7 years of training to become Batman so i can believe that Robin has enough to time to train like Bruce did before Gotham will need the Batman again. I also assume that he left some kind of instructions on how to go about that because why would Bruce just give him all of his toys and just expect him to be able to do what the Batman did. Bruce Wayne is not a dumb man as to not think of this and send the boy to his death. If I was Robin in the batcave with all that stuff and no type of instructions, i would be like "ok uh... now what? am i supposed to do something with this stuff? Where do i start?"
And yeah, i read that Alfred prolly tracked down Bruce and Selina with those pearls here.
It's like the writer of this article didn't even watch the movie...Thank you for rebutting all of these ridiculous gripes! The only one that I'd say is a legitimate problem is the gap in time between Bruce climbing out of the pit and his return to Gotham. First of all: how much time has passed? Second: how did he get into the city at all? But, again, we don't know how much time has passed so it doesn't bother me that much.
The Justice League thing is so ridiculous, though, that the entire article lost all of its (already limited) credibility the second it was brought up. Let me guess: the writer loved "The Avengers?"
I will testify to the fact that "The Dark Knight Rises" requires a second viewing to fully appreciate the emotional impact of the story and characters as well as to fully understand the logic behind the plot twists and developments. But I guess some people would prefer not having to think while watching a movie. Maybe that's why "The Avengers" - a movie driven by its plot and action rather than its characters - did so well at the box office?
NOTE: I enjoyed "The Avengers" a lot. It was a ton of fun and I look forward to watching it again. However, I don't think it holds a candle to Nolan's movies - especially TDKR.
Sorry, a bunch of excuses from fanboys. I refuse to believe that if, during those atrociously boring fistfights, Batman threw that bomb he gave Blake right into Bane's face, that Bane's head wouldn't have exploded. You know, if the fighting is more interesting on a CW show, then maybe it shouldn't be in your movie!
And here's another plothole: Why didn't Lucius or Bruce install a panic button into the location of the fusion reactor? You know, in case someone who wanted to turn it into a nuclear bomb - which, yes, is COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE, so how about debunking that gargantuan plothole? One hidden little button that would have flooded the entire building if, oh, say people who could turn it on were maybe kidnapped and forced to turn it on??? SO SO DUMB!
The movie was fine. It was no Dark Knight, but it certainly doesn't deserve the slavish infatuation that is happening here. Marion Cotillard has yet to prove she can act in English and Bane was the MOST BORING supervillain in the history of supervillains. You simply cannot follow great, charismatic villains like The Joker and Two-Face with someone with less personality than The Hulk. They should have just called him Super Strong Exposition Man.
Its funny how you call people fanboys while You are the one sucking "The Dark Knight's" dick so much its ready to fall off. It really kills me that people are calling out TDKR on the "plotholes" when everything you can bitch about was actually explained in this, or even previous movie.
All of these so called plot holes are terrible and not plot holes the only legitimate problem is some people think that Bane was really just a puppet of Talia. However thats not true at all actually Bane and Talia were equals. At the end Talia gives Bane an order and Bane does the direct opposite not caring what she said.
Batman doesn't kill people, dumbass.
i only read the first sentence of your post - to answer the question of how long it took Bruce to get back to Gotham from that prison - I think the last thing we heard before he climbs out is that there are 23 days left. Also, he may not have money on him, but he's Bruce Wayne/ Batman, so he's obviously resourceful. Oh, and like I said, HE'S BATMAN - this is a far-fetched story to begin with, and an amazing one.
Yeah, but "he's Batman" is not a valid reason. Otherwise, why show ANYTHING in the movie? Why not just have him out of the pit and when people say "how'd he get out of the pit?" you just say 'he's Batman." Why even show him fight Bane. Why not just show Bane standing before him and then cut to Bane dead on the ground or in prison and flash the words "he's Batman" on the screen.
Miranda Tate's hate towards batman was so huge she decided to put him in prison with his back broken to watch on cable-tv how gotham city gets destroyed. But, before doing all this she manages to seduce bruce and basically having a one night stand..... Just dont make sense.
What I want to know is if she had the "fear of death"' in her to get out of that prison in the first place... then why is she trying to blow up herself and Gotham with her? All for her Ra's original plan? She was like an estranged daughter to him... why go through all the trouble? For finally forgiving her father after he wouldn't accept Bane? I feel like Miranda/Talia never said anything about how she wanted to cleanse Gotham or anything... she just wanted to carry on with his legacy. The movie was ballin' though!
lul what was your point anyway
Everyone keeps getting it wrong TDKR is set 8 years after TDK and Batman has been missing since then but Bruce Wayne has only been a recluse for 3 years, ever since his energy project failed.
Bane gets his mask little tube sockets thing broken by batman's stupid angry school kid punches. Then he becomes weak and unable to stand. Then his girl friend stabs batman and tells a long story while batman just leaves the knife there. Then Talia, while storytelling, fixes Bane's mask by fixing the tiny tubes back.And banes stands up powerful and strong again. Why cant he fix the damn tubes himself? TDKR is the worst movie for 2012. The legend has ended and so has Nolan.
Can't agree more with you ironbat.
I'm interested in drama and characters.
The Dark Knight Rises has less of this and more of a traditional superhero/hollywood hero movie.
At least with the Dark knight Rachel dies and harvey gets his face burned off.
We've got full on shitty VFX crap all over the screen again, batpod doing odd things (looks like the animator doesn't understand physics) - we've got a batcopter doing odd things and doing barrel roles through buildings. Completely wrecking my suspension of disbelief.
We've got a plot to blow up a city with a fusion bomb - as soon as I heard that, I knew what was going to happen and didn't feel any sort of danger.
You ask yourself, are we really going to see gotham blown up by a bomb?
No.
We've got Bruce Wayne with no cartilage in his knee(s) and a comedy knee brace that allows him to kick bits of brick off walls - in this world, broken backs heal in dirty prisons with some rope and some angry sit ups. Nutrition must be good down in the pit. Get big and strong on crackers and water. And anger.
Talia al ghul can fuck right off, and she does, after a stabby attempt at batman, we drive around with a retard in a saddam hussain scud carrier and then when it crashes perform one of the worst deaths possible.
Take a scalpel to the movie, get rid of catwoman, talia al ghul, and get rid of the whole "robin" nonsense and we can start to get back to something that isn't just another superhero movie.
Ape, don't forget the best plot hole of all. Bane can detect Batman in pitch blackness, but can't hear (nor can the audience) Selina Kyle drive up in a motorcycle 5 feet away
You are forgetting the part where there was a fucking WAR outside, not to mention the fact that he had Bruce BEATEN and ready to kill...he did not expected anyone to interfere, but when he thought Batman in pitch black HE kinda knew Bruce was out there sooo...how exactly THIS is a plothole ?
my god im amazed at some of the ignorance in these comments. did you people not watch the movie or listen to ANYTHING the characters said? seriously the most brilliant lines Bane had was when Batman turned off the lights and he was saying how he was born in darkness, molded by it. then you want to try and call out "derrr how did he see Batman when it was dark". seriously people, watch the movie again before you try nitpicking it with all these stupid remarks.
Can someone explain to me how old is Bane suppose to be? I mean Talia was like what 9 or 10 when she escaped the pit and then I am guessing she is around 30 some when she meets up with Bruce Wayne. In the flashback when they show Banes' face he looks around 20 or some so I'm thinking he's around 40. In which case he ages very well because he looks the same as he did in the flashback other than gaining some mass.
The whole way they bankrupted Bruce Wayne is complete rubbish. If some crazies take over the stock exchange floor, trading is halted electronically and everything that happened that day gets unwound.
What about the bomb detonating six miles offshore and not causing a giant tsunami that wipes out Gotham anyways?
at: Bruce and Selina's European Vacation
on that part alfred could have used the tracking device from the collar of catwoman so he would find them, it wasn't luck
I had a concern, that maybe I missed something. As Batman is flying the ticking bomb out to sea, we clearly see a shot of him piloting the Bat. The movie suggests that the auto-pilot did work and he ejected from the Bat. When? How did he get 6 miles between him and the bomb? Maybe I'm missing something, but if I am right, this is the HUGEST HOLE ever. PS: loved the movie anyway.
I'm still wondering how Bane shows up with the most obvious breathing apparatus since Darth Vader and no one thinks to attack the mask until we're mroe than two hours into the film...
Two more things that I remember thinking when walking out...
1) Why did they have to build the reactor to only then realize "man, this thing may be dangerous. So dangerous we need to shut the project down and hide the reactor" (though not so dangerous as to disassemble it, I guess). Shouldn't you have known it was dangerous in the planning and engineering phase? And if you did already know it was dangerous (to the point you were never going to use it), why build it to begin with?
2) What was up with the smear Harvey Dent subplot? Why would anyone turn on Dent after an armed madman who just trapped your police, blew up your local sports team, and freed all the criminals (and armed them with machine guns) reads a letter he claims--without any proof whatsoever--was written by the missing police chief revealing some dark secret about Dent and his actions after a severe medical trauma? I'm still not sure what that whole thing was all about or how it was supposed to work.
I agree with everything here man, but you missed one BIG PLOT HOLE out of everything: Why doesn't any of the characters go to the toilet or bathroom? You know Batman at some point had to shit or piss in that prison cell...yet there's no toilet in that prison cell or any scene that shows Batman pissing or doing a shit. It's not realistic enough. What a plot hole.
lmao! awesome comment bro. believe me, I feel the EXACT same way you do lol.
Not saying there aren't a few tiny flaws in this film (like every other film has, might I add). I just can't help to think that most of these "flaws" that people talk about are absolute nitpicks. Maybe as a result of the extremely, ridiculously, unfairly high expectations this movie had going against it? Not sure. I mean seriously, flaws that don't have to be explained because the filmmakers put trust in the audience to do the thinking themselves! God forbid, I know. Unless of course you want a 5 hour movie showing how people get from scene to fking scene. "LIKE OMG! HOW DID BRUCE GET BACK INTO GOTHAM!?" LIKE who gives a flying turd. There are many ways. Broke or not, he's Bruce Wayne/Batman for one. There are many possibilities, use your freaking imagination.
1. The fact that it took 5 months to denonate was a BIG part of Bane/Talia's plan. Give the people of Gotham hope, only to take it away from them. Hope is a big theme in the film. Watch it again please.
2. Actually agree with that one. Maybe he was overwhelmed with emotion from putting the cape and cowl back on and she is one hot piece of A so he had to get up in it. And she is Talia afterall, getting someone to sleep with her isnt that hard.
3. Batman was in no shape to fight in the first one and if you listened to anything Alfred implied in the movie it was that Bruce Wayne sort of wanted to die, he had no fear. Remember in the prison when the prison doctor says having no fear is a weakness because how can you fight for your life if you don't fear death. Along with getting back in shape (which would absolutely help) he took the ideas from the prison doctor about having fear, which greatly attributed to his victory over Bane. This also might explain his expression that your talking about when he turns to face Bane, kind of a "im not dying today" look. Watch it again please.
4. My god dude it is a movie. NITPICK. Next.
5. Many people died in the riots, bro. NITPICK.
6. During the scene where Alfred tells Bruce his fantasy of seeing him in a cafe he goes to with a wife and children blah blah...he says, and I found this quote from IMDB. "I had this fantasy, that I would look across the tables and I'd see you there, with a wife and maybe a couple of kids. You wouldn't say anything to me, nor me to you. But we'd both know that you'd made it, that you were happy." WATCH AGAIN PLEASE.
7. Dude....really? Do you not realize how far your reaching on these "flaws"? Seriously man. NEXT.
8. There you go my friend, now your getting the whole using your imagination concept.
9. Does it really matter? No, It doesn't.
Seriously man, these so called flaws you mentioned are complete and udder nonsense and just about all of them you are reaching, as if you wanted this movie to fail from the start. I bet you list Avengers as the greatest movie ever made huh? Wanna guess how I know that? Im out.
spell correction: utter. Wow I'm tired lol.
Catwoman was the best thing about TDKR.
and if bane told batman, during their first fight, "i was born in darkness, molded by it, i didnt see the light until i was an adult", why did batmaan think it was bane who broke out of the cage as a child?
I highly anticipated TDKR and I was very disappointed. Yes, huge plot holes (no matter how much handwaving people try). And the fight scenes were sad. And Talia's death scene? Were they trying for comical?
Don't forget Gordon Levitt is continuing Batman's legacy so "Batman" isn't really dead.
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